Dissolve Scars with Systemic Enzymes
- Sarah F.
- Nov 12, 2018
- 20 min read
Updated: Nov 14, 2018
Nature's answer to erasing the scars and ravages of time
Systemic Enzymes - The accelerated path to extraordinary health, flexibility and healing.
If you're not aware of systemic enzymes and their powerful health benefits, now might be the time to study nature's very dramatic solution to optimal health & anti-aging.
Let's begin with a swift education on enzymes in general. Virtually all living things, including those we cook and eat, contain enzymes.In fact there are over 3000 different kinds of enzymes. For instance, raw foods are rich with enzymes. They contain active enzymes. Upon eating raw spinach, the cells of the leaf are immediately broken down,successfully releasing its nutrients. Mother's milk too has a host of enzymes that are valuable in infant digestion and the production of good bacteria. In fact all living animals produce enzymes in their digestive track. Enzymes, are so indispensable that they are often described as the spark plugs for the vast majority of chemical reactions that make life possible.
The public has been well-versed on digestive enzymes , and they are commonly taken as dietary supplements. Digestive enzymes have been long recognized for their importance in the digestive process.
Systemic enzymes on the other hand, play a different role, a role that few are familiar with. Systemic enzymes digest excess fibrin in the body. This fibrin is the main component that is responsible for the unhealthy build-up of scar tissue, arterial plaque, toxins/viruses, thrombus formation as well as the spider web of tissue that tend to encase our internal organs with age .
As suggested by Dr. James Howenstine, MD. ' Enzymes have been widely recognized for their importance in digesting food. Yet they also break up circulating immune complexes in the blood. Enzymes can act to prevent too much fibrin from being deposited in wounds, fractures and joints. These enzymes also remove necrotic debris and excess fibrin from the blood stream....The proteolytic enzymes used in enzyme therapy dissolve fibrin. When strong proteolytic enzymes are in an enzyme preparation, they can be powerful enough in their action to actually gradually digest scar tissue away. This takes time to occur, of course, but eventually all the scar tissue may disappear.'
Fibrin really is a prime cause of aging and disease. It creates stagnation and sluggishness in the body, decreasing the body's flexibility and youthful nature. As stated on biomediclabs.com' Fibrin is a tough protein arranged in long fibrous chains. It is formed from fibrinogen, a soluble protein that is produced by the liver and found in blood plasma. Fibrin tends to form circulating complexes that create barriers against the absorption of healing nutrients in and around areas of inflammation. '
What happens when our body in injured is that it begins to produce certain chemicals called prostaglandins. A specific form of prostaglandin causes inflammation. The result of this is swelling, constriction of blood vessels and decreased tissue permeability. Systemic enzymes help by breaking down these proteins in traumatized tissue. Systemic enzymes play a huge anti-inflammatory role, simultaneously triggering the rapid removal of cell debris.
Given that systemic enzymes are integral in the resolution of fibrin, it's becoming pretty clear that they may be Nature's Key to keeping one's body youthful, vibrant and agile.
You may wonder, " Why do we have to ingest enzymes in supplement form if the body produces them naturally ? "
It's true that enzymes are produced by the body. Yet with the advent of age the body produces significantly lower levels of enzymes. Which is why an older person scars more severely than his younger counterpart who is subject to the same wound. Not surprisingly , the process of aging appears to begin quite markedly between the ages of 27 and 35. Interestingly, this is the age when the production of enzymes that dissolve protein begins to diminish.
However what's exciting at this day and age, is our ability to access and acquire systemic enzymes from numerous organic sources. We are fortunate enough to be able to enjoy their potent benefits, allowing us in a sense , to turn back the hands of time.
Biomedic Labs ( www.biomediclabs.com ) is a trusted source of premier systemic enzymes. Their enzymes are plant-based ( except for the ingredient serrapeptase that is released by the silkworm), combining some of the most highly potent systemic enzymes available today. Their formulations feature combinations of enzymes that create a dynamic tincture. The most popular products sold on their website are Serra-RX and Serracor. They are manufactured using Bioactive Protein Peptide System (BPPS) technology, a proprietary process that features complementary bioactive peptides and ensures greater enzyme stability, absorption and bio-availability. They are thus formulated for maximum fibrinolytic activity.
Two of the elements that are used in high doses by their formulators are serrapeptase and nattokinase. These are two of the more expensive and valuable forms of systemic enzymes.
According to Biomedic Labs ' Serrapeptase is a powerful proteolytic enzyme derived from a species of bacteria originally found in the intestine of silkworms. The bacteria Serratia mercesans E1 produces Serrapeptase, an enzyme that enables the silkworm to dissolve its silken cocoon and emerge after metamorphosis. Serratia is now grown in cultures to produce serrapeptase by fermentation. Numerous research and clinical studies have demonstrated serrapeptase has anti-inflammatory, proteolytic (protein dissolving) and fibrinolytic (fibrin dissolving) properties. Studies also show serrapeptase reduces scar tissue, improves tissue healing and significantly reduces inflammation.
Serrapeptase also has the unique ability to digest non-living tissue that is a by-product of the healing response without harming living tissue. Serra RX80 (Serrapeptase) is enterically coated to survive the acidic conditions of the stomach without being degraded. This allows for optimum absorption in the small intestine and greater systemic activity. The pH resistant enteric coating will disintegrate after it enters the alkaline environment of the intestine.'
So here I am, faced with this incredible knowledge on the possibilities of renewing my health and having access to a line of products offered by Biomedic Labs. Formulas that can only enhance my life to the nth degree. I decided to embark on a 3 month long experiment, taking my health & fitness to levels like never before. My journey with systemic enzymes is documented on my blog. Here you can view my weekly updates on my regimen of enzymes. I shared the various phases that I passed through during the process of detoxification of fibrin and the numerous benefits that I enjoyed as result.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH SYSTEMIC ENZYMES
Week 1 Journal Entry
' I have been taking a total of 40 systemic enzyme tablets a day (a combination of Serra-RX & Serracor-NK), 20 in the morning & 20 at night, always on an empty stomach, and followed by several glasses of water.
In addition, BIOMEDIC LABS has supplied me with -
- Hyaluronic Acid ( that supports joint and connective tissue functions and skin health )
- DimPro RX (that supports hormonal balance & weight management. It increases the production of estrogen, protecting the cells and inhibiting the growth of tumours. It is also highly effective in the treatment of uterine fibroid tumours, endometriosis, fibrocystic breasts, moodiness,),
- Clear Lung Formula ( a Chinese herbal remedy that acts as a lung decongestant )
- N-Acetyl RX ( an amino acid supplement that aids the detox process by breaking up mucus in the lungs, raising antioxidant levels,removing mercury from the body,preventing liver damage, protecting against cancer, etc )
I also exercise lightly 3 times a week and I have been eating more raw foods & superfoods So let me update you on the results of this new regimen, as it truly lives up to its name !
It's only been a week but I have to say, I feel like my entire life is turning around.
I have more energy during the day, I am thoroughly optimistic and generally happier . I have a clarity now that seems to be sharpening every few days ... In fact there has been such a transformation in my life, I'm going to list all the benefits out, so that no detail is lost. :)
1) Weight Loss . My waist has cinched in and my stomach has flattened. My waist continues to feel like its narrowing everyday. When I started this program I was 108 pounds and as of today I am a 106 pounds. I have lost 2 pounds. Pretty dramatic as I'm already slim, and also because I wasn't expecting to lose weight. This has been the fun part, as I feel so much better in my body . I love having a tighter waist :)
Note: I am slightly concerned about losing more weight. I did want to get leaner and tighter but I don't want to lose too much weight, so I will be increasing my intake of healthy fats ( avocado, etc ) to offset further weight loss.
2) My breathing has improved. I have broken my nose several times and have had a septoplasty to improve my breathing as I have been unable to breathe properly on the left side of my nose. Since taking enzymes for this week, I have noticed a considerable improvement in my breathing. I can draw clear breaths on my right side and my intake of breath on my left side has improved slightly. This has been a huge relief for me.
3) I have been Inspired ! I find that when I do go to bed , I am lulled into a deep, deep sleep, filled with surrender . There is a very different quality to the rest I now receive. It feels like a rich, warm slumber overtakes me and during this lapse of time, I receive vivid images, guidance and inspiration. I did not expect this aspect to be a part of my new lifestyle, but it has been probably one of the most enjoyable aspects. I asked my boyfriend, who is a holistic practitioner, why this is happening. One thing he noted is that I have a fine scar directly over my third eye. I had a bad accident when I was 7-8 yrs old and landed in the hospital with 11 stitches on my forehead. The scar has faded considerably but remains to this day. He suggested that the enzymes may be clearing the region, as a result my third eye is being re-activated , which would explain the bright images and symbols I am seeing during my meditation and the ease with which I can enter a deep, meditative state.
*One thing to note tho, when bedtime arrives, I do get sleepy earlier than usual and I need a nap during the day.So if you do decide to take on this program, do give yourself more time to rest.
4) Clarity. I am experiencing much more clarity, I am more efficient and productive. The things I used to do that would fritter away my time, I indulge in much less. So I procrastinate less and I'm able to accomplish more. Surprisingly, when I connect with others, I have better focus and have become a better listener... I have been wondering how this has come about as a result of a health regimen. My thoughts are ... as the enzymes are effectively clearing wastes, toxins and excess fibrin/scar tissue in my body, they return my body to its original, optimal state, that of a finely-tuned instrument.
5) I'm Happier :) Besides going to the gym, socializing and saying hi to some awesome neighbors, exercising regularly has added a new dimension to my Life. I exercise very lightly. All I have committed to is an hour on the elliptical, 3 times a week. Yet I'm surprised how much more joyful my life has become as a result of this small addition to my lifestyle.
Tips -I notice that the amount of water I drink has a profound effect on the entire regimen. A minimum of 2 litres a day, significantly and positively improves results.
If you're going to invest in systemic enzymes, do take in the hydration you need to experience them at their finest. '
Week 5 Journal Entry
There is so much to write about in this 5th installment of my weekly Superbeing regime !
But I will make this entry fairly brief as my results build based on the weeks prior and will continue to propagate with the continued use of enzymes ( www.biomediclabs.com ) , abundant hydration and a generous proportion of raw foods & superfoods !
Aches & Pains
Prior to my regime, my body was constantly wracked with aches and pains. They travelled all the way from the base of my spine, all over my back and to my neck. I'm only in my thirties, so it was very unusual ... Its week 5 ... and guess what ? NO MORE BODY ACHES. I feel more flexible, my body feels supple .... but the lack of pain is the best part !
This change is HUGE because, it's changed my whole outlook on life.
My lifestyle is impacted as well. I'm more active and social mainly because my energy and focus is not constantly distracted by pain. It's amazing how much more free attention one has when the physical body is functioning the way it was designed to.
* Note - I still have some stiffness in my shoulders and on the right hand side of my neck, but I am optimistic that this discomfort can be cleared in the coming weeks.
Stronger Nails
I'm taking this as a sign that my body is generally healthier. Now that excess fibrin & scar tissue has been effectively broken down, I'm sure my circulation has improved and I'm better able to utilize the the nutrients & minerals in my foods . My nails that were once so weak and fragile are considerably stronger. They don't tear the same way they used to and my nail bed is free of white ridges ( usually the mark of some form of nutrient deficiency ).
Weight I am down to 102 pounds, despite the fact that I have increased my intake of fatty oils ( from avocados, etc ) and a feast yummy raw food desserts. I don't want to lose weight though, so I'm continuing to eat more than usual to offset the weight loss triggered by this heavy intake of systemic enzymes.
I decided to undertake some research online on the relationship between Systemic Enzymes and the reduction of pain , and this is what I found. ( www.losethebackpain.com )
It all started with Dr Max Wolfe.
" He was a medical doctor at the prestigious Columbia University for over 30 years and was doing research on why your pain seems to increase as you age. In particular he was looking for the differences in why young people often experience faster healing times and less overall pain than older folks. He discovered that when the body was reacting to pain, the bodies of younger adults responded by flooding the painful area with something called "proteolytic enzymes".
But for some reason... the older folks he studied showed dramatically reduced levels of proteolytic enzymes and therefore felt more pain. Excited by his amazing discovery, he narrowed it down even further and discovered that beginning around age 27 the amount of proteolytic enzymes in your body begins to diminish.
Bottom Line: If you're over 27 years old... THIS may be the reason you're still in pain.But he still needed to find PROOF to the question... Could proteolytic enzymes be acting as the shut-off switch for pain?
Dr. Wolf's discovery that younger adults have dramatically higher levels of proteolytic enzymes in their bodies launched a wave of controversy and excitement into the scientific community.
And what scientists found was nothing short of amazing.
In 1972 they discovered that proteolytic enzymes are the first line of defence against pain and inflammation ! Amazingly, they operate on a “lock-and-key” basis which means they can recognize good prostaglandins from bad prostaglandins. And when their teeth fit into a ‘bad’ prostaglandin that's already run its course and has no more use... they dispose of it to let the GOOD prostaglandin come in and get rid of the pain."
That's all for now :)
Suffice it to say, being on Systemic Enzymes made me feel no less than Superhuman ! Which is I playfully titled my journey as 'My SuperBeing Regime'. It was quite a ride ! And if there was a cape to be worn, I was whipping it behind me in flight with a vengeance !
If I had a choice, I would stay on enzymes for the course of my entire life. The impact they have made on my quality of Life has been tremendous. Not only have they begun to eat away at old scar tissue, they improved my flexibility and thus reduced my pain when it came to making certain bodily movements.
What has caught my attention is that I have previously ingested systemic enzymes from different companies prior to this experiment, yet I did not enjoy the same level of results. I wanted to find out what it was about the products I was receiving from Biomedic Labs that made them far superior to the brands I had experienced in the past.
I arranged to speak to the owner of Biomedic Labs, Brad Custer, in a quest to acquire a fuller perspective on the subject. Brad was extremely generous with his time, care and attention to detail, making my experience with his company all the more positive.
I began by asking him to share the evolution of his career in this holistic field. And this is what he said
Brad Custer, " I've always been into health ever since I was in high school . I was working out, trying to be healthy in college. At the early age of 22 i took some health courses in college. The opportunity to live in NY was presented to me and I made the move from West Coast to East Coast. Having growing up in Arizona, New york came as a shock to myself and my wife. It was so different in the big city. I started working at the Vitamin shop right off of Wall Street. It was an interesting time and I got to meet a lot of new people. I found that I really enjoyed interacting with my customers and helping them with their health. And so we spent a year in NY. By then, that was all i could handle of city life.I gave up the management position I had and moved back to Arizona.
I worked with GNC for two years. Following that I worked with a well-known company that specializes in enzymes. This is where my experience with enzymes really began. I held a position with the company for 3 years, becoming their no 1 sales person.
By then I had the knowledge and experience to start my own company. I learned so much about enzymes during this time.
I understood what systemic enzymes could really do for people and saw how powerful they were. Along the years I had heard so many glowing testimonials and witnessed the extent of their benefits,
I wanted to get the word out about systemic enzymes. Unfortunately, they are still not a household name for health here in the US unlike Europe. I believe that in parts of Europe there is an enzyme product that is prescribed by physicians. Europeans tend to take a different approach, they take health in their own hands. This is what I've gathered from my international customers. "
How do most of your clients find out about your company ? How have they come to acquire this knowledge about the unique benefits of systemic enzymes?
Brad, " More and more people are coming to us because they're tired of healthcare and are searching outside of the box. They have become resourceful and they research natural or alternative paths. We start them on enzymes and go from there.
Most of our clients who are Europeans are not able to get the medical care they need and are unable to see a doctor for months sometimes . They have to explore their options. We also have a lot of clients from Australia , UK , Canada, etc But we have regular clients around the world , including Asian countries such as Malaysia and India. "
So what are some of the results you've witnessed after a person begins a regimen of systemic enzymes ?
Brad " The huge effects I would hear for example, arrived after an individual just started the supplements for a month. I've actually heard it with all kinds of enzyme products out there. I've received so many testimonials from people who have had major scar tissues from C - sections. Their conditions have successfully been reversed. I personally have seen changes in myself as well.'
What did you experience personally while on enzymes ?
Brad, "Well when I was in my mid twenties I had a really bad burn on the outside of my leg. It was a third degree burn. I started taking enzymes up to 10 - 15 a day. In two months, the burn faded by 50 %. And in 2 years, you couldn't even tell it was there !
Then there is my wife's experience.She has had 3 C-sections, and her healing was far beyond anyone i had ever seen. Usually you have a pretty noticeable scar after a major procedure like that. Yet her scar is very flat, it can barely be seen. "
How soon after the C-section did she begin taking enzymes ? I've heard that enzymes thin the blood . So is it best to wait a period of time after a surgery ?
Brad, " Yes, we waited about two weeks after her procedure. She took anywhere from 9 doses a day of Serracor-NK and 4 doses of Serra RX80. She did this for 4 months and continues to take half that dosage every day since then. In fact, she had a C-section just 8 months ago and she's pretty much recovered already.
This is definitely not the norm. We have friends who have had babies around the same time as my wife . And I've seen the scars on a friend of ours. It's pretty marked and is nothing like the scar on my wife.
Is it better to take systemic enzymes immediately following a surgery ? What happens with old scars that the body has held for years ?
" It's never too late with systemic enzymes. You can still revise your scars at any point in time and accomplish a lot down the road.
I've had scars for 10 yrs that have resolved. So its never too late.
Another experience comes to mind. About a month ago, I was mountain biking and I crashed badly and my face scraped the trees. I had scabs all over my face . So what I did was I doubled the enzymes that I was taking. 5 days later, you could not even tell I hit a tree !
There was also an area under my thigh that is still red and its healing but I notice it improving it every week. I know the systemic enzymes are key to this accelerated healing. "
So tell me about the unique nature of your products ?
Brad " The main company we deal with is based in Chino, California. They formulate all of the enzyme products we offer. We're engaged in the process as well and we feel pretty fortunate that we have a significant part to play.
Now we've chosen to include some of the most expensive forms of systemic enzymes. They are serrapeptase and nattokinase. There are enzymes such as amylase and bromelain that are effective in their own right but serrapeptase and nattokinase are very potent. You will need to study the potency of each formula. There are different abbreviations that are activity markers for each enzyme supplement. They are HUT's , SU's, FU's etc. Whether they are called serrapeptase units or international units, the markers themselves are all the same. But research the strength of your chosen formula.
The product Serracor-NK stands out due to the formula. I honestly believe they are the best in the world. I believe they are definitely the best in this country. The formulators of Serracor-NK put a ton of research in this product. You see you have to have really good quality materials to begin with. And then formulate the enzymes so that each enzyme works synergistically with each other. It's a real art that I don't believe anyone else does better than the formulators we work with. "
Are Biomedic Lab's systemic enzymes organic & vegan-friendly ?
"They are partly plant based. This is because serrapeptase is derived from the silkworm. The silkworm release a liquid containing these enzymes whilst its in a cocoon state. What happens with our labs is that they culture the organism in a lab through micro fermentation. So it could be by right classified as fungally grown as well.
Rest assured, we don't kill silkworms. ( jokingly )
It's a fermented product , produced in a lab. Fortunately we can grow in it in a laboratory. So they are vegan."
Brad could you share some of the most miraculous results from your customers ?
Brad "I have more than one dramatic testimonial. I don't know where to begin. Ok let's start with pulmonary fibrosis. Some people don't even know they have it. It's a condition that involves a scarring of the lungs and it continues to spread. People with severe cases of pulmonary fibrosis carry oxygen with them to aid their breathing. So we had a customer who was a 9/11 first responder. He was exposed to a massive amount of smoke. It landed him in hospital for a year. He was taking 18 different medications. He started researching online and stumbled upon us. Very soon he started taking our products and within a few months he was improving. Within a year and a half he was out of the hospital and off oxygen. It's been 10 years and he's only got better with time. This doesn't happen with a terminal illness that is usually degenerative with time."
That's amazing. Systemic enzymes seem to offer an alternative path to health for all manner of cases.
Brad "The patients who come to us are in such extreme states, their doctors don't give them any hope. But we always give hope to the people who come to us. Even to those with terminal conditions. We have had doctors see a client of ours who was in a terminal condition. And from his 1st to second visit in a matter of months, the improvement was so great that his doctor told him that whatever he was doing, to keep doing it !
I guess dealing with systemic enzymes for 12- 13 years, I'm not real shocked to hear anything. They're capable of doing anything … it seems like. I don't want it to sound like a miracle cure and I am not making a claim that it is, but it does almost appear that way."
Do you have any tips for the individual who plans to begin a regimen of systemic enzymes ?
Systemic enzymes must be taken on an empty stomach. They can be taken 3 times a day.
Maintain a healthy diet.
Drink lots of water. Studies conducted have shown that hydration levels affected the results achieved with systemic enzymes.
Visit Biomedic Labs at www.biomediclabs.com.
BIOMEDIC LABS TESTIMONIALS - SYSTEMIC ENZYMES
My dads condition was deteriorating quite rapidly and doctors here in the UK
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My Father in Law has been on Serracor-NK and Serra RX for about 4 months or
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Three years ago I had surgery to remove very large fibroids. My uterus at
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The predicted numbers in the pulmonary function test assume the person has
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and it's always worked. Thank you, thank you! Karen
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